Call Your Girlfriend

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A podcast for long distance besties everywhere. Co-hosted by BFFs Ann Friedman and Aminatou Sow. Produced by Gina Delvac. Brand new every Friday.

295 épisodes

25 septembre 2020
Do you need something to read (and take your mind away from doom-scrolling)? We talk with Nessa Rapport about her novel Evening and Alice Wong, editor of the anthology, Disability Visibility.  We're also reading (or re-reading): Zadie Smith essays, NK Jemisin's Broken Earth trilogy, Angela's Ashes, and Parakeet by Marie-Helene Bertino.  See for privacy information.
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18 septembre 2020
How can we create change from within institutions? We talk with longtime civil rights activist, Pramila Jayapal, who was elected to Congress in 2016 about her work with the Congressional Progressive Caucus, pushing for change within the Democratic Party. Plus, the challenging pace of change within government and the prospects for better federal policy to support immigrants, people out of work, and Black and brown communities devastated by police violence and other structures of white supremacy. We also discuss the viral moment in a 2019 hearing, when she reflected on being the parent of a non binary child. Rep. Jayapal's new book is Use the Power You Have. See for privacy information.
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11 septembre 2020
We're engulfed in crises: caregiving, police violence, employment, and an election. These may feel like unprecedented times, and yet, some of our favorite guests have been experts and activists who tackle these issues. We listen back to excerpts from Ai-jen Poo of the National Domestic Workers Alliance on caregiving, journalist Annie Lowery on guaranteed income, Josie Duffy Rice on the criminal justice system's impacts on women, and Stacey Abrams on how all of us can lead, beginning from our own experiences and circumstances. See for privacy information.
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4 septembre 2020
What does attraction mean, specifically for people who don't experience sexual attraction? Angela Chen joins us to talk about her book Ace: What Asexuality Reveals about Desire, Society and the Meaning of Sex. See for privacy information.
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28 août 2020
Friendships that stretch into years and decades hold a special place in our lives, and require special tending. As we conclude our Summer of Friendship series, we hear about your big friendships that have gone the distance. See for privacy information.
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21 août 2020
We often see people don’t have time for friends as life gets busier: Hint hint, it’s capitalism and patriarchy making you feel that way. And we interview author Mia Birdsong on building the communities and relationships we actually want, rather than those we’ve been told to want. Links Big Friendship Mia Birdsong How We Show Up: Reclaiming Family, Friendship, and Community
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14 août 2020
Difficult patches, communication breakdowns, and periods of estrangement are part of a LOT of important relationships, and friendships are no exception. We discuss our breakdown and why we had to go to therapy to start fixing it. And therapist Miriam Kirmayer shares tips for navigating conflict in friendship.
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7 août 2020
This week we’re taking a break from our Summer of Friendship to bring you a very special guest: Zadie Smith!! Zadie Smith is the author of the novels White Teeth, The Autograph Man, On Beauty, NW, and Swing Time, as well as two collections of essays, Changing My Mind and Feel Free. Her latest is Intimations.
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31 juillet 2020
Race plays out differently in every friendship. And not all interracial relationships involve a Black person and a white person, but ours does.  As Wesley Morris wrote in his memorable review of the forgettable movie Ted 2: "For people of color, some aspect of friendship with white people involves an awareness that you could be dropped through a trapdoor of racism at any moment, by a slip of the tongue, or at a campus party, or in a legislative campaign. But it’s not always anticipated. You don’t expect the young white man who’s been seated alongside you in a house of worship to take your life because you’re black. Nor do you expect that a movie about an obscene teddy bear would invoke a sexual stereotype forced upon you the way Kunta Kinte was forced to become “Toby.” " Wesley talked with Aminatou about the trapdoors of interracial friendship, Joe Biden, friend breakups, and yes, Ted 2, in an interview we recorded while writing Big Friendship in 2019. Links: Wesley Morris is a critic-at-large for The New York Times and the co-host of one of our favorite podcasts, Still Processing. Wesley Morris on Ted 2 Pat Parker: For the white person who wants to know how to be my friend
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24 juillet 2020
We stretch when we grow with, and in response to, a friend. But it can be hard to figure out: How do you know how much to give to a friendship—and take from it? We talk to therapist Jordan Pickell about interdependence and the blurry line between leaning on friends and asking too much of them.
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17 juillet 2020
We did not write a “female friendship” book, but we are indeed two women. And our friendship has been both strengthened and threatened by the ways we communicate. We interview linguist Deborah Tannen, whose book You’re the Only One I Can Tell: Inside the Language of Women's Friendships was a touchstone for us—explaining concepts like "story of sameness," one way that some friends bond by finding similarities in each other's lives. Catch the virtual book tour and get a copy of Big Friendship at
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10 juillet 2020
Days away from the release of Big Friendship, Aminatou and Ann share key definitions from the book and read a passage about a very challenging time in their friendship, early in the life of this podcast. Catch the virtual book tour and get a copy at
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3 juillet 2020
We learn about young Aminatou and Ann from Faith and Bridget, our high-school besties—who both remain close friends today.
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26 juin 2020
We kick off a summer dedicated to friendship—its joys and its difficulties—as we get ready for the release of Big Friendship. On this episode, we talk about our friendship origin story, and interview our mutual friend Dayo Olopade about how she knew we'd hit it off. Also, we're looking for your voicemails about long-term friendship—stories about difficult patches you've survived, and also your questions for us about keeping friendships strong in the long term. Leave us a message at (714) 681-2943.
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19 juin 2020
On the conflict between outward facing antiracist messaging (ads, content, “solidarity” statements) and internal office behavior: who’s hired, who’s promoted, who’s given a raise, how Black people feel at your place of work, whose ideas are supported and welcomed—in media, and beyond.
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12 juin 2020
We talk with queen of gossip and media literacy Lainey Gossip about the meaning of gossip, the royals, how covering celebrity has changed, knowing your worth in your work, and the empire she's launched her site
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5 juin 2020
It's been a week. Amid uprisings and violent police suppression, we turn to Mariame Kaba. Mariame is a longtime police and prison abolitionist, educator, and organizer who has been doing the day-in, day-out work of activism and opposing state-sponsored violence since the early 2000s. If you've been wondering: what's police abolition? what's prison abolition? why not simply reform or defund police departments? how do I commit myself to racial justice? what does a post-police future look like? is there room for hope? ...this episode is for you.
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29 mai 2020
The inimitable Maurice Harris joins us to discuss his creative origins, how he started using flowers in art, being a small business owner in the time of corona, and his new show Centerpiece.
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22 mai 2020
In the second of two parts, we discuss Tara Reade's sexual assault allegation against Joe Biden with Vox's Laura McGann who spoke with Tara when she came to her in 2019 with a different complaint about abuse of power in Biden's Senate office. Plus, how Biden makes progressives complicit in his pattern of non-consensual behavior, why you may or may not vote for him, and how we can be re-center survivors in our discourse. Links: Laura McGann on reporting out Tara Reade's allegations Tarana Burke's tweets Rebececa Traister on the Biden Trap for women politicians Stacey Abrams' Biden endorsement AOC's Biden comments
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15 mai 2020
Throughout public life, Joe Biden has claimed to stand for women. His long career from the Senate to the Vice Presidency to presumptive Democratic nominee can paint a very different picture. In the first of two episodes, we discuss key moments that give us pause about Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr. 1991: Biden mishandles Anita Hill's testimony during Clarence Thomas's confirmation hearings as chair of the Senate Judiciary committee.  1994: Biden uses the Violence Against Women Act as character witness, a shield from backlash against his treatment of Professor Hill. VAWA was situated within the crime bill and tended to focus on training law enforcement and judges, stopping short of addressing the broader scale of violence women confront. 2016: Speaks at the United State of Women conference to a packed room of gender equality advocates, among them untold numbers of survivors, and us, describing his work on the Violence Against Women Act and recounting numerous instances of violence against women in borderline lewd, graphic terms. 2019: Announces his campaign and calls Anita Hill. Professor Hill was not impressed with his apology and shared some pointers for how he might make amends. Throughout his career: inappropriately grabs, touches and hugs women in congressional offices and the campaign trail. Links: Biden's role in the Clarence Thomas hearings in 1991 Violence Against Women Act in 1994 Biden speech at the United State of Women in 2016 Lucy Flores on Joe Biden kissing her head in 2014 CYG Episode 33: Low Key Creep in 2015 Joe Biden "just likes giving hugs" Biden's non-apology to Anita Hill in 2019  
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